A modest update to Harvey's Y-DNA

Category: DNA

I logged into FamilyTreeDNA today, something I hadn't done for quite some time, and noticed that Harvey has travelled down the Y-DNA haplotree a couple of more branches. This would be because there have been new people taking the test. Previously, Harvey was located at S18890 but now he has moved through FT161969 to BY100453.

What does this mean? Well, not a lot at this stage except that it's encouraging to know that others are still interested in taking the Big-Y DNA test. The FT161969 > BY100453 in Cornwall (Harvey's line) is a long thin line with parallel Dutch and Finnish lines going back to 450 AD and it may be Norman. We still await a Barnes man from Cornwall, or elsewhere, to give Harvey a closer match.

Section of the Y-haplotree showing Harvey's BY100453 subclade
Section of the Y-haplotree showing Harvey's BY100453 subclade


See more on Harvey's Y-DNA here

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Remembering Grandpa

Category: On This Day...

Funeral flowers placed on the grave of Charles George Hibbitt
Funeral flowers placed on the grave of Charles George Hibbitt

On this day in 1972, my Grandpa, Charles George Hibbitt, died aged 73, at South Hams Hospital in Kingsbridge, Devon.

He was buried with his sister, Nellie, at Drake Memorial Park in Plymstock on 12th October. I drive past this cemetery when I visit my parents and I still pay my respects at the grave from time to time.

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My Granny Hibbitt - photos, cine and video footage

Category: Cine Films and Videos

Photographs, cine and video footage of my Granny Hibbitt (born Ivy Alice Dando: 1904-1992).

Known as Isey, she was born above her grandmother's sweet shop known as the Golden Butterfly in Saffron Walden in Essex. Her father was a dentist and, by 1910, the family had moved to Plymouth in Devon.

Isey was employed in the telephone exchange where presumably she met my Grandpa who also worked for the G.P.O. (General Post Office). Much of their married life was spent in Tavistock during which time she worked for a solicitor's firm in Plymouth. They retired to East Allington in the South Hams area of Devon and Isey outlived her husband by 20 years.

Isey's hobbies included making wine and collecting shells on the nearby Devon beaches. She then attached them to terracotta pots using Polyfilla or sometimes she used tiny square tiles and she'd let me have a go too. I remember her as kind and diplomatic with a vivacious personality and a lively sense of humour.


This video can also be viewed on my YouTube channel at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuyq3LZ4j-E and in my website video gallery.

Music: Cheezy Piano Medley by Alexander Nakarada | https://www.serpentsoundstudios.com
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On This Day in 1869 and 1959

Category: On This Day...

I have only just realized that one of my dad's grandfathers was born on this day, 2nd August, and the other died on this day.

Alfred Charles Newbold Hibbitt was born on 2nd August 1869 at Back 20, Chester Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire. He joined the Royal Navy in 1885 and went on to become a Chief Petty Officer in the Coastguards. He was invalided out in 1920 and died in 1928.

Alfred Charles Newbold Hibbitt with his daughter, Nellie
Alfred Charles Newbold Hibbitt with his daughter, Nellie

Charles Llewellyn Ernest Elbert Dando died on 2nd August 1959 at Moorhaven Hospital, Ugborough, Totnes, Devon. His death certificate shows he died of pulmonary oedema and pneumonia, left heart failure, anaemia and carcinoma of the prostate. He was born at 86 Regent Street, London, on 4th June 1876 and worked as a dentist for half a century.

Charles Llewellyn Ernest Elbert Dando with his wife, Alice
Charles Llewellyn Ernest Elbert Dando with his wife, Alice, at Goodrington

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Big update at my family history website

Category: What's New at Hibbitt.org.uk

It's been some time since I revised my online family tree although I've been working in the background for almost two years since the last update. The tree has now increased from 2051 individuals within 574 families to 2544 individuals within 709 families. I can't list all of the changes but I will highlight some of the main ones.

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Firstly, I've updated the following files in the Family Tree Charts section:
Annie's HIBBITT, DANDO, GEAKE & WEAVER Ancestors Chart - both in pdf and html format.
Annie's Ancestor Fan Chart.

In the same section, I've also added a pedigree chart for my half 2nd cousin once removed (Chart 4) whose DNA I manage. We both share an ancestor on our matrilineal lines. My cousin's family tree web pages can be navigated by clicking on the father/mother links beginning at this page. My 2 x great-grandmother, Grace Martin, was my cousin's great-grandmother.

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Since DNA has shown a break in my HIBBITT line, I've altered my tree to demonstrate this. I'm not completely certain where the break comes but I suspect it is either with my 2 x great-grandfather or my great-grandfather. I have currently made the assumption that my 2 x great-grandfather, Charles Newbold Hibbitt, was 'adopted' by Amos Hibbitt and Mahala Newbold and I've placed a note on the family pages to this effect.

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Previously, one of my paternal lines stopped at my 5 x great-grandparents, Abraham Woodall & Martha Lee but I've added parents for Martha and a few more generations back from Abraham. At the moment the information is sparse but I will flesh this branch of the family out with siblings and more detailed notes in due course.

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Turning to my maternal side, I have added a number of generations beyond my 4 x great-grandmother, Sarah Street, since the discovery of an old Family Bible which was able to confirm Sarah's parents' names. I do still need to undertake further work on this branch of the family too when time permits.

Family Bible showing the names of Sarah Street's parents
Family Bible showing the names of Sarah Street's parents

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Finally, I have undertaken quite a lot of work on the family of my 2 x great-grandparents, John Gale Hellier & Mary Ann Congdon. I've added detailed notes for their children, including for my great-grandmother, Sarah May Hellyer. Several of John and Mary Ann's children died in infancy including both twins and the youngest son, died at the age of nine, most probably of polio. The youngest daughter, Jane, died in the 1918 flu epidemic at the age of 29. All of the children were below the age of 18 by the time they were orphaned which meant that many of them were separated from each other, being sent to live in orphanages or with relatives.

Mary Ann Congdon had long been a mystery to me but I have finally made some progress on her family line. I wasn't sure whether her name was Congdon or Burgoyne but it turns out that William Burgoyne was her stepfather. Her parents were James Condon and Louisa Reed. Very little is known about James but he probably died before Mary Ann was 4 years old. Her mother, Louisa went on to marry William George Henry Burgoyne in 1857 but it seems the marriage was not a happy one according to a court case in 1883 where Louisa was accused of assaulting her husband and being a drunk. Not surprisingly, the couple separated.

Louisa Reed's parents were George Reed and Bridget Ellis although for some unknown reason, Bridget also went by the name of Catherine or Kate. It's believed she was from Cork in Ireland which might explain some of my Irish DNA.

You will find detailed footnotes for the Reed and Ellis families on their particular family web pages, including newspaper articles outlining the dispute between Louisa Reed and her husband, William Burgoyne.

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Appointment at the Palace

Category: On This Day...

Original phonogram sent on 15th July 1919 to Lt C N Ellen
Original phonogram sent on 15th July 1919 to Lt C N Ellen

Exactly one hundred years ago today a special communication was received by a young Lt Cyril Norman Ellen requesting his presence at Buckingham Palace on the 24th July 1919. The phonogram was sent from the Lord Chamberlain's office to Harvey's grandad who was to receive his DFC (Distinguished Flying Cross) from King George V. It must have been a very proud moment.

Cyril Ellen wearing his medals in 1925
Cyril Ellen wearing his medals on his wedding day in 1925


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Rembembering my Grandpa Geake

Category: On This Day...

William Hellyer Geake
William Hellyer Geake (known as Bill)

Today marks the 25th anniversary of my Grandpa Geake's death. Here he is in front of his house at Crelake Park in Tavistock Devon.

Bill Geake
Bill Geake (25.4.1917 - 18.6.1994)

And here Grandpa is sitting in the chair next to me at our house - Christmas time 1983.

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Remembering my Granny

Category: On This Day...

Phyllis Grace Geake, nee Weaver
Phyllis Grace Geake, nee Weaver

It's hard to believe we lost my Granny Geake 14 years ago today. I still miss her loads.

Grave
Grave plaque at Drake Memorial Park, Plymstock


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Honouring my Great-Uncle: D-Day Veteran

Category: On This Day...

Edward Carlyle Savory
Edward Carlyle Savory

Honouring my Great-Uncle, Edward Carlyle Savory, who was in the US 29th Division Artillery HQ Bty on D-Day, arriving on Omaha Beach at 14:10 hours on the afternoon of 6th June.

After the war, Uncle Eddie married my Great-Aunt, Eileen Geake, having met her in Tavistock, Devon, where he had been stationed for some time before crossing the Channel.

General Eisenhower inspecting the US troops in front of St Eustachius Church in Tavistock
General Eisenhower inspecting the US troops in front of St Eustachius Church in Tavistock


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Update on the Hibbitt/Hibbett/Hibbit Y-DNA Haplogroup

Category: DNA

Following on from a previous post where I explained that my patrilineal line doesn't match the Hibbitt haplogroup, I am now giving an update for those called Hibbitt or a variant of the name.

We now have four people called either Hibbitt, Hibbett or Hibbit sharing the Z2534 haplogroup. At least two descend from John Hybot and Ann Tubbs who married in Exton, Rutland, in 1732, through their son, Matthew, who married Frances Penruddock. A third person could either descend from Matthew and Frances or Matthew's brother, William, who married Elizabeth Skillet. Either way, John Hybot and Ann Tubbs would be this person's forebears too.

The final Z2534 result came from a descendant of a John Hibbit who married Mary Toft in London in 1770. This then, would point to a connection back to either John Hybot or, quite probably, an ancestor of his, how far back we cannot know without specific Y-DNA testing.

Three of the results were obtained when testers ran their AncestryDNA raw data files through the Morley Y-SNP Subclade Predictor Tool at https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

The fourth person in this Z2534 group tested with Living DNA which gave a more recent haplogroup than Z2534. The haplogroup was Z2189. The R Z2534 DNA project suggests that the people they have in their project who are positive for the Z2189 SNP have Iberian ancestry.

The Ancestry and Living DNA tests are not dedicated Y DNA tests, instead they are autosomal DNA tests with a small amount of Y-DNA data included. The YTree at YFull shows various testers who've taken the Big Y test at FTDNA or similar and who come under Z2534: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2534/. The ancestry of those in the Z2189 group includes places such as Spain, Portugal, Mexico and Puerto Rico. It's curious then, how the Hybot family came to be in England but it needs to be noted that the Z2189 haplogroup was formed about 4000 years ago.

The R Z2189 Haplogroup on the YTree
The R Z2189 Haplogroup on the YTree

If anyone in the Hibbitt etc. group was to take a Big Y test and upload to YFull, it would be interesting to see whether they were a match to any of the existing subclades of Z2189 or whether they would eventually form a brand new branch if a closer DNA match also tested.

As for my line, with every result that comes in at Z2534, it confirms that I am not a 'real' Hibbitt after all. My Dad's haplogroup is Z36747 which separated from the Z2534 haplogroup at DF13, which is a couple of clades above Z2534, and therefore further back in time. I still have no idea what my maiden name should have been but I believe that it's either my great-grandfather or his father who had a father who wasn't a Hibbitt. This is contrary to what the records say so no clues so far.

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